Internal Void

In my opinion one of the best Doom Metal bands from this planet is Internal Void. For people, who are in old school Doom Metal music like The Obsessed, St. Vitus, Trouble or Pentagram, Internal Void could be a good choice to listen to. The band was formed in 1987, but they didn’t got too much attention through the years like the mentioned bands. If you are a doom metal fan, but you haven’t heard yet their music, go and pick up an Internal Void CD and then read this fine chat with IV’s key figures Kelly and Adam. David Leslie had assaulted this guys with tons of interesting questions. Doom shall rise and death to the false doom!

Hello Kelly! To tell the truth INTERNAL VOID isn’t a known band in Hungary and I have thought about to do an in depth interview with you. Introduce us into the history of the band all right?

(Adam) This can be a difficult question to answer! The four of us originally got together in '87 wanting to make heaviest music we could make. I guess you could say we're still trying to do that.

I have read in your biography, INTERNAL VOID was established in 1987 on the effect of an ST. VITUS gig. Do you still remember about this show? Was already at that time Wino the singer of ST. VITUS?

(Kelly) Oh yeah, what a show! This was the Born Too Late or Thirsty & Miserable tour. At the time, Eric and I had been playing together for about 3 years already, one of the later bands called DAMNATION which Adam had also been a member. We all had played in various bands each having multiple styles and were playing cover songs, but were starting to write a couple originals but the band never developed. In the summer of 1987 Eric and I both knew which direction we wanted to go in. The next band was JUDGEMENT HAMMER 1986 which was myself, Eric Little (Earthride), Dave Sherman (Earthride/Spirit Caravan/King Valley) we had done a lot of covers of Sabbath, The Obsessed and even some Vitus stuff,and we had written 3 originals that were already in the direction of INTERNAL VOID, and later became the first three I.V. songs. So we had already had plans to form a new band before going to the VITUS show, and had already been discussing the idea with Adam to rejoin and go with all original music from there on. So I think that evening just really pumped us up seeing ST. VITUS & WINO live and that night we were ready to roll. We started rehearsing right away and by November we had like 5-6 songs in the making.
(Adam) I can still remember that show and that night in general. It was the night my life changed forever. For a number of reasons! Seeing Vitus and meeting Wino was quite an event for this at-the-time 16 year old. Just as important, the opening band that night was Asylum, later to become Unorthodox. We quickly formed a friendship with Asylum and played a LOT of shows/parties together with those guys over the next few years. Damnation was a short-lived band. My first attempt at not only being in a band, but also the first time I picked up a bass! We had five songs. Relentless and Sign of the Wolf by Pentagram, Die By The Sword by Slayer, Dethroned Emperor by Celtic Frost and our one and only original titled Soldier. We had a second guitar player, Greg Clark who currently heads up King Valley.

How and when did become your line up complete? Was it hard to find the suitable members?

(Kelly) Yes, we were struggling to find a singer for those first few months, and finally we realized he was at our feet, always at our rehearsals, our best friend JD, who was at the time a bass player with a punk band NO EXIT, so he agreed to give it a try. It worked well even though looking back now he had a ways to go as far as developing his style, but we knew there was something there, right away his lyrics were incredible and just had an immediate knack for applying them to the music. In which two years he really had began to nail down his own style.

How were your rehearses?

(Kelly) They we always interesting to say the least, sometimes alot of partying but, it didn’t get out of hand since we had to keep it under control at our drummers parents house. We practiced in a small cabin next to Eric's parents house.

How often did you rehearse?

(Kelly) Like twice a week and some weekends, we were always working on new material.

Which bands have had an effect on you?

(Kelly) I’d say in the beginning ’87 - ’88 we all were heavily listening to Pentagram, The Obsessed, Vitus, Sabbath, Asylum. But for years we all were majorly impacted by Jethro Tull, Iron Maiden, Motor Head, the Beatles, Pink Floyd, Jimi Hendrix, Dio, The Who, even Slayer, Sex Pistols, Celtic Frost. So, really there are too many to mention. But you get the idea we weren’t stuck in one style and we really enjoyed good musicianship. In ’88 we also got turned on to many obscure bands like BANG, BUDGIE, STRAY, CAPTAIN BEYOND, HARD STUFF, GROUND HOGS etc.. so this really effected me more so than the recent doom influences, i guess i was born too late.
(Adam) One of the things that I feel has always made Internal Void and the music we create unique is the long list of influences all the members can claim. You can't just listen to 'doom' and heavy rock if that's what you want to write and play. You'll end up writing music that sounds like a cheap imitation of what you listen too. You have to pull from all your influences. There's a lot of very good music out there that isn't doom.

You have recorded two demos „Unreleased” (1988) and „Voyage” (1991). Would you speak about them?

(Kelly) Well the (1988) was our first studio experience and in a local studio called Zax Trax, we had not the best of equipment and knowledge of sound, so we were just cutting our teeth.

Why did pass three years between the demos?

(Kelly) Well that's not the case, more popular than the ’88 demo is the demo from ’89 which is called the Smoke Stack Demo, the cover had a big smoke stack on it, but it was just titled INTERNAL VOID. We had a better grip on the studio and our playing in general. While still rough around the edges we were really starting to develop. This was also recorded at Zax Trax and produced by Chris Kozlowski who has been there with us from the beginning! In 1990, for Voyage, we had socked up some money from playing parties and headed into one of the most professional studios in the region called Hit and Run. This turned out to be one of our best recordings, by this time we had definitely gelled as a band and with Chris there overseeing the project it just came out fabulous. I still don’t know why we just didn’t make a full album, i guess if we knew how well it was going to come out we would have planned to do that, also money permitting.

What kind of reactions did you get about them?

(Kelly) We got great reactions, from the SMOKE STACK demo we started to grab attention over seas from tape traders and got some mentions in underground zines, the VOYAGE demo we pressed 500 and sold most all of them in a few years locally. This is the demo that got us signed to HELL HOUND.

In 1991 you became friends with Wino and thanks to him you have came to Hellhound Records. How would you characterize Wino?

(Kelly) Wino has been one of the most inspirational guitarist/vocalist in the heavy scene, locally since the original Obsessed, throughout St. Vitus and the second Obsessed line up gave him International fame, and this seriously inspired the later to be named Doom/Stoner scene worldwide. He’s got to be one of the most down to earth dudes I’ve met.

How did you get in touch with him?

(Kelly) I originally met Wino at the last show of the original OBSESSED line up in 1985, and Eric Little and myself were just blown away, we met them after the show to get our flyers signed by the band, and they were totally cool.

He is the godfather of doom, isn’t he?

(Kelly) You bet he his!

As far as that time around 1991 was doom metal comparatively popular. Such bands have appeared at that time like INTERNAL VOID, COUNT RAVEN, CONFESSOR, SORROW, WINTER, SOLITUDE AETURNUS or REVELATION. How do you remember of that period?

(Kelly) This was a very exciting time for the INTERNAL VOID, we had a fresh professional demo "Voyage” out and were playing lots of shows with REVELATION, THE OBSESSED, UNORTHODOX, WRETCHED, IRON MAN, we had a show scheduled with CONFESSOR, but bad weather kept them from making the show. We were listening to SOLITUDE AETURNUS, and were just hearing about COUNT RAVEN since we had just signed with HELLHOUND in late ’91 and put a couple songs on the "What the Hell” compilation CD.
(Adam) That era could probably be looked at as the 'first wave of doom'.

As far as doom metal, how would you define this music?

(Kelly) Well I would say doom metal could be defined in a few ways, my definition would be a sound that has a dark theme embedded within the riffs, usually has bluesy overtones, and can go from a ball buster riff, a grooving tempo or a doomy mellow "Hand of Dooomish” sound. Usually most of these bands tunes a bit lower than concert tuning and that too can add a sub-level of heaviness.

Which bands are the pioneers of doom?

(Kelly) BLACK SABBATH & PENTAGRAM are the true pioneers, later came ST. VITUS, THE OBSESSED, TROUBLE which inspired the whole genre in which the term doom was given.

Is doom an underground music or a trendy, mainstream one?

(Kelly) It’s still considered underground to me, no band since BLACK SABBATH has even come close to experiencing that level of success, so it’s totally underground. I think lately there has been a certain trendiness to doom, or maybe not so trendy but I think there are so many sub-genres of doom now days that it’s not even considered doom, more like noisy doom. Alot of bands think that if you tune down to B and C then it sounds doomy, well the riffage needs to be there first, if it doesn’t sound heavy in concert tuning then it’s just not heavy.

There are several styles of doom, like funeral doom, sludge one, power/doom etc. What do you think about it? Do you like or do you know such bands, like EYEHATEGOD, CROWBAR, UNHOLY, SKEPTICISM or REVEREND BIZARRE?

(Kelly) Yeah we played with EYEHATEGOD a couple of times they were cool, and CROWBAR is heavy as shit. I’ve heard of REVEREND BIZARRE but I’m not too familiar with them to comment.
(Adam) Lately it seems that the death/black metal style vocals have entered the doom genre. Honestly, I'm not a big fan of it. Lyrics and what a song is about has always been important to me. I just don't dig the grrr/gruff vocal style. It's very monotonous.

What do you say to the reunion of CONFESSOR? Did you already listen to their EP “Blueprint soul”? In my opinion it became awesome.

(Kelly) I just saw they have a new record out, looking forward to hear them again.
(Adam) Some of the best news I've heard in a long time. Really looking forward to this release.

Your debut album was titled "Standing on the Sun” and was released in 1992. Tell us please detailed about it! By whom were the songs composed, what were ait all about the lyrics, what do you think about the songs, about the sound, about the cover?

(Kelly) Adam and I co-wrote all of the music with exceptions of a few that I wrote myself „Line in the Sand”, „The Peace Song” and „Eclipsed”, JD wrote just about all of the lyrics. The lyrics cover everything from war, peace, religion, heart wrench to everyday life. Soundwise, if recorded today, it would be done differently, but I think for the time period it captured what we sounded like live, it wasn’t over produced, there is only one guitar rhythm track on the whole album! Overall I think the mix is a well balanced recording. The cover art was Eric's idea, it really tied in with the title track „Standing on the Sun” you know with the „Four Horsemen Comes Down” line, which the song was written before deciding on the cover, so it worked really well.

Did become „Standing on the sun” a doom classic in your opinion?

(Kelly) Well, it’s been called a doom classic in many reviews, I think it contains alot of doom elements that sets it apart from many other albums/bands.

The album was released by Hellhound Records, they were the home of the doom bands. Which bands were at that time by them? How was your connection with the label, how did they support you? Were you satisfied with them?

(Adam) Other bands being released by Hellhound at the time were The Obsessed, Saint Vitus, Count Raven, Unorthodox and Iron Man. Later, Wretched would join the fold as well. We hooked up with Hellhound through the 'What the Hell' comp CD. Satisfied? What would be the opposite of satisfied? Honestly, in the end it was a learning experience in how not to let a label screw you around. It's a story we've told many times and it's really time to put it away. We got our first full length out of the deal. The rest was all downhill. We've moved on to bigger and better things.

As I as know the label went bankrupt. Didn’t you know, what were the reasons of their bankrupt? Did you get some money from them?

(Adam) The words 'money' and 'Hellhound' rarely appear in the same sentence.

In 1993 you were on a 3 weeks tour with ST. VITUS and THE OBSESSED. How do you remember about it? What kind of experiences did you gain during the tour? I think so, it could have been a killer doom package, but unfortunately you didn’t come to Hungary.

(Adam) Just a quick correction. The Obsessed were not part of that tour. Although that would have been fucking great! We had a blast with Vitus. Very little sleep, eating about once a day and drinking constantly! There were some great shows and some not-so-great shows. All in all it was a great time. Remembered fondly (what we can each remember anyway!)

Why did Eric Little leave the band after the releasing of „Standing on the sun”? Did he take part on this tour?

(Adam) Eric leaving the band was a band decision in that Kelly, JD and myself felt we needed to make a change. The three of us felt the band moving in another direction and we weren't sure Eric was the best fit. We had accomplished a hell of a lot in the six years we had Eric with us. It was just time to move forward. We didn't want the next album to merely be 'Standing on the Sun II'. Eric did do the tour with us, it was later in '93 that he left the band.

When joined Ronnie Kalimon the band? How did he come into picture? In which bands did he play earlier?

(Adam) Ronnie joined up with us in late '96. He had been one of the founding members of Asylum (later to become Unorthodox) and had also served time behind the kit with Iron Man. We had become friends back in '88 when we started playing a lot of shows with Asylum. It was around '96 that we were again looking for a drummer, having gone through three different drummers since splitting with Eric in late '93. We learned that Ronnie was no longer playing with either Unorthodox or Iron Man and didn't hesitate to make the call. Easily one of the best decisions we've ever made!

After the tour you have had line up changes and you have recorded also a five tracks tape „Window to hell”. What must we know about this material? Which songs were on it? Why wasn’t it release as an EP?

(Adam) After parting ways with Eric in late '93 we struggled to find the right drummer for the band. Over the next three years we would go through three different drummers. Each with very different backgrounds and styles which, in the end, helped us greatly as players and songwriters. 'Window to Hell' was our first recording with Ronnie. We were no longer associated with Hellhound and thus label-less. We felt a demo would get our name back out and hopefully stir up some label interest. Songs included were 'Window to Hell', 'Nothing and No One', 'Black Wings of Deceit' and 'From Here on Out'. The song 'Window to Hell' would later appear on the split 7" with Paul Chain and also be re-recorded for inclusion on Matricide. 'Black Wings of Deceit' was recently re-recorded with Mike Smail on drums for inclusion on the recently released Doom Capitol comp CD on Crucial Blast records. The demo itself was reproduced in limited numbers and sold at live shows.

In 1998 you entered the studio to record your next album “Unearthed”, but is was released in 2000 by Southern Lord Recordings. What can you say about the album? Are there similarities and differences between „Standing on the sun” and „Unearthed”?

(Adam) I think there is probably more differences than similarities between 'Unearthed' and 'Standing'. We went into the studio with our own money to record 'Unearthed'. It was only after it was finished that we signed with Southern Lord. That's the basic reason for the almost two years that went by between recording and release. 'Unearthed' was a long time coming for us. With the exception of 'Seek the Truth' and of course 'After the Storm', the whole album was written with Ronnie in the band. We had really worked hard on those songs to refine them and really get them together. The basic tracks were recorded at Hit n Run studios where we had recorded the 'Voyage' demo. We then moved the whole operation to the Polar Bear Lair and put it completely in the hands of Chris Kozlowski. By that time we had progressed into a very different feel than the 'Standing' era. You could say we became a bit more 'jam' oriented. While the heaviness is still there, we also brought in other aspects that rounded out the sound a bit more.

To what does the title of the album refer? It sounds so pessimistic.

(Adam) It's not meant to be pessimistic at all. Actually we meant for it to be the exact opposite. With our first album we had traveled to 'Stand on the sun'. Now, after so many years of battling back to the forefront we felt the band and been 'Unearthed'. Sort of reborn from the underground.

Why did slip so much the releasing of the album? Are there on the record brand-new tracks or are there on it songs also from the „Window to hell” cassette?

(Adam) We were completely on our own at the time. No label, no backing, no money. We scraped together what we could to go into the studio and record the whole album. Once it was done we started shopping it around. Southern Lord showed interest and we ended up signing with them. In all, the disc sat finished for almost a year before finally seeing the light of day. All the material was new with the exception of 'Seek the Truth', which is an older IV song that has always been part of our live show, and of course 'After the Storm' which is a faithful cover of Stray, one of our favorite bands.

After the releasing of „Unearthed” you have cut a split 7” with PAUL CHAIN and you were featured also on several compilation albums. Tell us please about them! Is the split 7” still obtainable?

(Adam) I've seen copies of the split floating around the internet. I'm not sure how many copies were produced. Appearing on a release with Paul Chain was an incredible accomplishment for us. Years before we had been turned on to Death SS and Paul Chain's solo material. It was later, through Black Widow Records in Italy that we were asked to contribute tracks to both their Blue Cheer and Death SS tribute albums. For the Blue Cheer release we recorded 'Parchment Farm'. It had been part of our live set for a while and is just damn fun to play. While it's not a Blue Cheer penned song, we play it in the vein of Blue Cheer. Loud and Proud! For the Death SS tribute we pulled off 'Murder Angels'. It was quite an accomplishment for JD to lay down those Steve Sylvester vocals.

Are you a fan of vinyls? Do you collect them? Do you like better vinyls than CD-s?

(Adam) We all grew up with vinyl. But, there's no denying the superior sound quality of a CD. With that said. The one true downside to CD's and for that matter downloading, iPods, mp3's etc. is that album art is all but dead. It used to be that the album artwork was truly a part of the album. You could do so much with it's size. Who doesn't remember sitting for hours looking at album sleeves while the music played? With CD's we've lost some of that and that's too bad. We've also lost the ability for a release to have two very different sounds. With vinyl, the first side could have a very different feel that the second side. Sometimes it was like getting two releases in one! You can't flip a disc now can you?

In 2003 you began recording your new album, but during the recording sessions has drummer Ronnie Kalimon left the band. What were the reasons of his departure?

(Adam) Ronnie stayed with the band through the recording of Matricide. Ronnie leaving the band was kind of a long time coming but we all felt that the music needed to be recorded with him since it was created with him. The split was all on good terms and we're still the best of friends. I think Ronnie's life and goals had just shifted away from being active in music. He's one hell of a drummer and I'm grateful for the time he spent with us. We wrote some killer music and he made me a better musician.

His replacement became Mike Smail (PENTAGRAM, PENANCE, CATHEDRAL) an exceptional drummer of the doom scene. Is he a permanent member or a session one? Did he also take part in the songcomposing?

(Adam) Mike Smail is a full-fledged member of Internal Void and we couldn't be happier about it. He brings an incredible background with him and is very powerful behind the kit. We're currently working on material for the next disc, hopefully to be released later in '05. We've written two songs with him already and plan on writing many, many more.

Your third album „Matricide” has came out last year on Dogstreet Records. How would you characterize this album? Did you develop compared to your previous albums?

(Adam) 'Matricide' is a step or two further down the path we were taking with 'Unearthed'. We had really come together as a unit by the time we recorded 'Matricide'. Most of the material was written over a two year period following the release of 'Unearthed'. We're always writing new songs. Once a new song is finished we turn right around and get started on the next one in line.

The third album of a band is always the most important one in their career. Do you agree with this statement? Are you satisfied with „Matricide”? Do/Did the fans like the album?

(Adam) I've never really thought about the third album being any more important than the rest. I guess it could be looked at as a way of seeing if the band is for real or just a flash in the pan. We really wanted to get another disc out as quick as we could after 'Unearthed'. We had grown rather tired of hearing the criticism about how much time passed between 'Standing' and 'Unearthed'. But, that wasn't the main driving force behind writing and recording 'Matricide'. We had just hit a hot streak after 'Unearthed' and the material was really flowing. We had planned on having it released in '03 but the opportunity to work with Bobby on anew Pentagram album presented itself. We had already recorded the drum and bass tracks for 'Matricide' back in Feb. of '03. We stepped back to concentrate on Pentagram and resumed work on 'Matricide' in early '04.

You have played on the „Templars of doom” festival on the 19th of June. How was this gig? Were the fans enthusiastic? How did you like the other bands?

(Adam) Templars of Doom was a blast!!! Great line-up of bands. The fans were fantastic. People came from all around the country for that fest. We had a chance to meet some really cool people, hear some very good bands live for the first time and also catch up with some old friends that we hadn't seen in a long time. Orodruin were awesome. Wretched kicked ass. Place of Skulls were loud and heavy. Debris Inc. were entertaining. Very little sleep. Lots of smoke and drink!

PLACE OF SKULLS have played on this festival, but I have read, they have split up. Did you heard about it? Why did they split up?

(Adam) Thankfully Victor and Place of Skulls have changed their mind and will be sticking around. I was very saddened when I heard they were going to split up. It seems the turn-out and fan response to their 'farewell' gig back in Feb. was enough to make them reconsider the decision to break up. It would have been a great loss. I'm glad they changed their minds!!

Do you often read fanzines or webzines? Which ones do you prefer and why? In your opinion do fanzines and webzines play an important role in the underground scene? Do you know the Hungarian Psychedelic fanzine?

(Adam) In my opinion, the internet has been the biggest thing to happen to underground music ever. If the internet had existed in its present form back in the Hellhound days, a lot of the early 90's bands would have had a better time and more would still be around. Just the ease of communication is amazing. Back during the 'Standing' era we were still doing all of our communication with Hellhound (Germany) through the mail. News and information took a lot longer to reach the public. Now, you can update your webpage or send a news item out to multiple websites and it's posted that same day. Instant gratification. I spend time checking out Roadburn, Stonerrock and Hellride. The forums can be helpful, but sometimes it full of bullshit too.

Although you exist since 1987 you have released only three albums. Why didn’t you release more records?

(Adam) Some of it has to do with the fact that we've ALWAYS put our hearts and souls into our recordings. We would never release something we didn't feel was the best we could put out. Once you put an album out, it's forever. So, you better be damn sure you tried your best. Music fans spend their hard earned money to buy your albums, you don't want them to be disappointed. The eight year stretch between 'Standing' and 'Unearthed' was not planned. Following 'Standing' and Eric leaving the band we went through a three year period that saw us have three different drummers. When Ronnie joined up in '96 we had been playing the same 10-12 songs for the last few years. Having to always work in a new drummer and wanting to play live. With Ronnie in the band we wanted to start fresh. We knew it was going to be a new/different feel having Ronnie behind the kit and we wanted to explore that and see where it took us. So, that took some time. As I stated before, we had fully recorded 'Unearthed' in '99. It was through negotiations with Southern Lord that it ended up not being released until 2000. 'Matricide' would have been out a year earlier but, we couldn't turn down the chance to record a Pentagram album. Right now we're working towards getting in to the studio in June '05 to get started on our next disc. We've already got six songs completely written and between the four of us there's plenty more on the way!

Didn’t you think about to sign to bigger labels like Century Media, Earache, Nuclear Blast, Roadrunner etc.? What do you think about these labels? Are you satisfied with your present respectively previous labels?

(Adam) We've always looked for the best thing for Internal Void. I've heard good things and bad things about every label out there. Honestly, we haven't gotten any interest from the larger labels. We don't seem to fit in with most of their rosters. I've mentioned the story with Hellhound and just don't wanna bring that all back up. The deal with Southern Lord started out very well and just went sour somewhere along the way. It was mainly musical differences and someone wanting us to be something we're not. As is usual, there were some promises that were not kept. But, that's regular business it seems. The situation we have right now with Dogstreet Records is perfect for us. We're keeping all decisions close to home and we're in total control of our destiny. If another label were to come along and make an offer, we'd certainly be interested in talking with them. But, for right now, we're very satisfied with our position.

When will be released an INTERNAL VOID DVD or live album? Didn’t you think about to release your demos and „Standing on the sun” on a CD? I personally would interest in them.

(Adam) We've recently been discussing a bunch of future projects and releases through the Dogstreet Records label. We plan on releasing the 'Voyage' demo in the near future with some additional bonus tracks, extensive liner notes and pictures from that era of the band. We've also discussed re-releasing 'Standing on the Sun'. We weren't happy at all with the little effort Hellhound put into the packaging of 'Standing' and we plan on correcting that! We had talked about a live album back when Ronnie was in the band. We've got a real good recording of a show we played opening for Clutch in Baltimore MD USA. I think that might be shelved indefinitely.

What are your future plans? I have read you plan to do a European tour. Do you come possibly to Hungary?

(Adam) We're planning on a big '05. We're working towards getting in the studio in June to start recording our next disc. The plan is to have the next disc out in time for a European tour in Nov./Dec. Not sure where in Europe we're going to hit yet. Going to start getting that plan together very soon!

How would you characterize the development of career of INTERNAL VOID? Did you achieve great results or successes? Did your dreams come true?

(Adam) So far it's been a lot of fun and a lot of heartache. The highest highs and the lowest lows. It's been the longest rollercoaster ride I've ever ridden an we don't plan on getting off any time soon. We're nowhere near finished. We've still got the creative juices flowing. There's still so much more music that needs to come out.

My last question: both you and Adam and Mike have played in PENTAGRAM. On which albums did you play?

(Kelly) We played on the last album „Show ’em How” which was more of the seventies era vibe. We also contributed new material along with renditions of older material.

How would you sum up your career in PENTAGRAM?

(Kelly) Well, it was a dream come true that came and went before we knew it, we were in PENTAGRAM for almost 2 years. Initially we joined only to do an album, and were leery of doing any live performances, up until the Jan 15th which I won’t even go into.We did however get a solid album under our belt, and we couldn’t have asked for a better opportunity than to record such classics that we had cherished for so long!
(Adam) It was quite an honor and a hell of a lot to live up too! We've been fans of Pentagram since we were teenagers. We knew that we needed to be playing at our very best. No less than %100 would be accepted. It was a blast learning and playing those older songs and it was incredible playing the new material that Kelly wrote. Even with the 'crash and burn' ending, I'd still do it all over again. Crazy.

Are there similarities and differences between PENTAGRAM and INTERNAL VOID?

(Kelly) Yes, INTERNAL VOID was influenced by PENTAGRAM especially in the early days, there are alot of differences too, I feel we experimented a bit more with our sound like adding more psychedelic, and later jazz elements and just overall developed in a different direction.

Do you have some information about Bobby Liebling?

(Kelly) None other than it’s a true disappointment to see such talent and I mean TALENT hindered by severe addiction! It was still a pleasure to work with him, but the line up wouldn’t, couldn’t last under those conditions, especially knowing what it could be if Bobby could straighten up.

Kelly thank you for being at my service, I wish you all the best and good luck. Tell us please your closing words.

(Kelly) Well thanks a world for preparing such a detailed interview, all very in-depth questions. Mostly I want to thank all Voidians out there for all the years of support, we will see the Europe boys this Fall!!!!


by David Leslie